FP RATINGS: case study

[lloyd]

mods are asking eachother if they frontpage it. Maybe because they (at least I) feel that the frontpage is now more a place for the best 'mainstream' mashups instead of a place where simply the best mashups (in all it's variety) can be found ....

I'm always concerned when Mods ask for a second opinion, It says to me that they are not sure if they liked the track or not. It is not for us to second guess the wishes of the public, If we feel strongly enough that a track should be frontpaged then we should frontpage it, if we don't then we should leave it for the next mod to listen to and decide.
The track you are refering to, has been updated/improved because of feedback from the forum and will be frontpaged as soon as the sources (or some of them) have been listed. The fact that G3RSt was hesitant initially to frontpage meant that the track could be completed before it got frontpaged too soon.

[[MMM]]

I only have one issue with moving the voting and Facebook "likes" to the forum... and that is that i feel the forum is a place where tracks may not be at there presentable best, I would like the forum to remain a place where people can bring their unfinished work and know it's only being shared/listened to be guys who are producers/ keen listener who understand that the forum is a brainstorming room.

I don't know what is technicly possible , but in theory you could simply fix this: the voting could be activated by the mods when the producer asks for it or when it gets frontpaged. I think we have mods enough to keep up with that... The Facebook links, well, that's the producers own decission when he or she likes to use it.
In this way you can still keep the forum a 'brainstorming room', wich I think is a GREAT pro, and in due time you can lift a thread up to a 'promotion / voting room'.

[lloyd]

The promotion /voting room takes us back to what Bruce was proposing, I just feel this will alway leave us open to a two tier system where producers will feel they dont need to submit to the first room, as you know producers have egos, Ive seen on other sites where a "draft" forum was in play that only the new guys where expected to submit their work there, whilst the more established producer got to submit to the "real" forum, where regardless of how good or bad their work was they would be praised and fawned over.

Oh and I forgot to reply about the comparison issue, the fact that a track is on the frontpage is proof enough that the track is good, regardless of the voting, and to be honest I don't think that the guy who would be listening to "David Guetta Vs Britney Spears" would even look twice at a track with "Echo & The Bunnymen vs Bobby Pickett" and if he/she did I would guess they were a true lover of mashups and not the sort of person to be swayed by other peoples votes. also with regards to people voting harsher on the "alternative" mashups, I agree they do initially but again i feel that over time the true score becomes apparent.

I've you ever get sick of hearing my voice... do please feel free to tell me to shut up

[[MMM]]

The promotion /voting room takes us back to what Bruce was proposing, I just feel this will alway leave us open to a two tier system where producers will feel they dont need to submit to the first room, as you know producers have egos, Ive seen on other sites where a "draft" forum was in play that only the new guys where expected to submit their work there, whilst the more established producer got to submit to the "real" forum, where regardless of how good or bad their work was they would be praised and fawned over.

No, I meant to keep it in the same forum, but only the treads being pimped up from 'draft' to 'promotion/voting'. This by eventually activating the voting / promotion possibility inside that same thread.

I've you ever get sick of hearing my voice... do please feel free to tell me to shut up

Well, maybe I would if I could hear your voice (it's high and sqeeky??), but I kinda like this conversation. In the end it should be all for the best, no?

I'll be back!!

[lloyd]

(it's high and sqeeky??)

[lloyd]

One final rant for the night:
The real issue that needs dealing with it the w**ker who keeps downvoting every time we post a track.. GRRRRR!!!!

[garagara]

Basically, if you've made a tune that Is technically very good, a good idea, and is nice to listen to it should make it to the frontpage. If you're bothered what random internet people then vote it I reckon you're making music for the wrong reasons.

Some of my tunes didn't make the frontpage and at the time I was surprised cos I thought they were great. In hindsight, well, I still think they're great and it just goes to show that no system's perfect


It is what it is, this is all meant to be a bit of fun. Make the music you want to hear. If you can do that, anything else is is a bonus

[[MMM]]

Aahh, just woke up! I'm BAHAACK!!!

One final rant for the night:
The real issue that needs dealing with it the w**ker who keeps downvoting every time we post a track.. GRRRRR!!!!

pssst....don't upset Rick by starting about the Dark One again!!

Basically, if you've made a tune that Is technically very good, a good idea, and is nice to listen to it should make it to the frontpage. If you're bothered what random internet people then vote it I reckon you're making music for the wrong reasons.

So, can I count you in for the N.N.F.A.V.S.O.T.F. group? (the 'No-Need-For-A-Voting-System-On-The-Frontpage' group)....
Ah, maybe we should keep a referendum and vote if it stays or not!!

[boris]

Basically, if you've made a tune that Is technically very good, a good idea, and is nice to listen to it should make it to the frontpage. If you're bothered what random internet people then vote it I reckon you're making music for the wrong reasons.

Some of my tunes didn't make the frontpage and at the time I was surprised cos I thought they were great. In hindsight, well, I still think they're great and it just goes to show that no system's perfect


It is what it is, this is all meant to be a bit of fun. Make the music you want to hear. If you can do that, anything else is is a bonus

and the gara spoke and we knew it was the truth

[DylanVasey]

This is all very interesting.

I'll give you some presumptive background information to help you guys discuss this better. Paul and I have always believed (but not aimed for) that the Frontpage and the forum were for two very different groups. The stats do actually suggest this.

The frontpage has a crazy amount of daily hits. We believe this is because the everyday mashup lover is visiting this page, and going no further (unless we are having a competition). With this in mind, we've tried to hone the FP towards your normal run of the mill public. The voting thing, which we always assumed was taken as a bit of fun by producers, was meant to give the public some kind of reference system to find the mashups that appeal to them.

That said, we've always been an advocate of mashups that are not 'of the norm' being on the frontpage. We feel a responsibility to promote the diversity of the scene, and not just the latest version of Lady Gaga's platinum selling offal.

Likewise, the forum is the producers hangout. The public as a general rule, don't come into the 'back rooms'. They prefer the ease of the frontpage were things are chosen for them, and they can click one button to stream and another to DL.

Whilst both areas may have similar features, they are delivered in a very different way. This is intentional, we do this to maximise how long someone stays on site. We hope they'll click an ad (have you noticed there are no ads in the forum?), or download more tracks giving the producer more exposure.

The official line here is, whilst the FP is primarily for normal mashup listeners - we don't want just commercial music available there. The only time a thought like 'this is good, but should I FP it' should come into it, is if you know that the unusual source collection might get an adverse vote and this WILL affect the producers will.

If your sizing up the producer, and you think they can't handle the joy of being FP'ed, coupled with a vote around 50% - you shouldn't do it, or you should at least explain what the FP is about.

It's our job as FP mods, to bring new music and creativity to the masses, but not at the expensive of the producer. ON the flip side of that, I've also seen tracks that we've all thought we're crap, get more downloads than anything else because it hit on public interest.

Which leads me back full circle ..... Producers and your everyday mashup lover are two very different people with very very different interests ha.